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Hello fellow seekers.. I am embracing these teachings fully, I've written blogs (see profile) on my processes but one thing I'd like to put out to this group particularly is this:
Do you find that there are people in your life you can no longer associate with? I find myself questioning who my friends really are and/or not being able to be around certain people any longer. I don't feel the need to explain to them WHY I cannot hang out with them as you cant change them or help them. Which only underlines how alone you are in the world. Which is something we all face at one point or another but usually put out of our minds and create friendships out of need. I no longer have that need but I do feel lonely at times that I cannot share this new awareness with those I have previously shared everything with.
When I'm with my so called "friends" I find myself sometimes falling back into the roles I once played for them.. engaging in their ego driven drama.. creating problems to talk about myself even.. without this, we might not have anything to talk about.. so instead I just find myself avoiding these people all together.
I only hope that now I will begin to attract relationships that are good for me or positive in nature. I believe this will happen eventually but right now, it can feel lonely.
Or, perhaps once I get to a certain strength spiritually, I will be able to communicate with these people again.. on what level that will be I dont know.
Do you find that there are people in your life you can no longer associate with? I find myself questioning who my friends really are and/or not being able to be around certain people any longer. I don't feel the need to explain to them WHY I cannot hang out with them as you cant change them or help them. Which only underlines how alone you are in the world. Which is something we all face at one point or another but usually put out of our minds and create friendships out of need. I no longer have that need but I do feel lonely at times that I cannot share this new awareness with those I have previously shared everything with.
When I'm with my so called "friends" I find myself sometimes falling back into the roles I once played for them.. engaging in their ego driven drama.. creating problems to talk about myself even.. without this, we might not have anything to talk about.. so instead I just find myself avoiding these people all together.
I only hope that now I will begin to attract relationships that are good for me or positive in nature. I believe this will happen eventually but right now, it can feel lonely.
Or, perhaps once I get to a certain strength spiritually, I will be able to communicate with these people again.. on what level that will be I dont know.
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Re: loneliness
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:25 PMI do not believe we ever disconnect completely from those relationships we move on from....thats the reason I believe you can feel the loneliness. Its the full presence of those individuals, that can challenge us to grow, including a possible need to move out and away from them. I am just begining this tribe and the new connections...I am looking forward to new thoughts and concepts.
Blessings!
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Re: loneliness
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:54 PMI've seen this happen many times in my life and in the lives of my friends and colleagues. We are always attracted to those who resonate with us on some level. When you start to futz with your own inner consciousness (i.e. grow spiritually), eventually there is a change and if your friends aren't making similar changes, then the resonance will die out and eventually there's nothing keeping you together.
At some point, you will make new friends who share your newly developed values. In the meantime, it can be lonely because you're basically "in between friends." It takes courage and fortitude to get this far, so you just need to draw upon that same inner strength to stay strong while you wait for and/or look for new connections.
Good luck to you! I'm sure you'll meet some really amazing people soon. :)
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:45 PMthank you for expressing what i have been noticing... this limbo place of not being sociable in the old ways i used to be.
it has led to quite a bit of isolation lately, alternating with awkwardness / discomfort in social situations that i used to be so at home in. three tendencies i have noticed are: increased tenderness/sensitivity (e.g. to loudness, light, drama), decreased interest in the sexual games i used to like, and an inability to fake anything. the direction seems to be towards total transparency, with no filters. that can get pretty messy at work, and fairly unattractive socially. and yet... that is what is happening. i accept it, but have got to wonder, is this it? i admit i am hoping there another social / sexual phase that follows, where everything is integrated. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:10 AMThis happens as we grow. When I stopped being a party girl; all those friends fell away. Soon I cultivated new friends. When those friends and I grew apart, I sought out others who were going the direction I was going. As my many interests as paths have changed, I have found many companions to walk with. Sometimes you walk a while alone. But that give you a chance to get to really know yourself. The hardest person to have loving compassion for is yourself.
My greatest lesson has been that if I am the kind of person I want to be with, soon those kind of people will join me too. -
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Re: loneliness
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 8:46 AM>>>My greatest lesson has been that if I am the kind of person I want to be with, soon those kind of people will join me too.
Yes. Thanks for posting that, Laura. I'm still learning it.
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Re: loneliness
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:07 AM
Veronica,
I know what you mean.
I've been fortunate enough to have a couple mostly awake friends. It is so painful while sharing and speaking from this one-ness as two people when all of a sudden a pattern strikes up in the other person, then they 1.) disconnect 2.) put up mental barrier ... that intimacy of one-ness gets killed
so, what I mean to say is that even if you had such friends, loneliness is still there
I've found nature to be a good friend, much better than I ever thought
since consciousness itself is how we share in intimacy... it is regardless of plant, animal, human as all are from consciousness
this can deepen your knowledge to discover the many beings which live only in consciousness, i.e. non physical... then the world starts getting much much bigger... though that can also be disconnected from the common world... so I found nature to be a good in-between friend.
you can also be-friend the planets and communicate with them, start with the earth and the sun, move onto the moon, then keep going from there. One way is to just feel them, specifically try to see if you can resonate your vibration with them... quiet energizing. A world of revelations awaits... Eckhart doesn't seem to talk much about that; perhaps because he's focused on the shift in global consciousness.
If you focus on growing your knowledge of Consciousness... be feeling and communicating with plants, trees, flowers, animals... soon you can begin to learn how to focus on consciousness itself. It won't be long before you can understand all sorts of things regardless of language.
We are alone so long as we think that language is our means to connect, though language is quiet limited in whom we can speak with.
If you seek consciousness as a method for intimacy, well... your have the whole to be intimate with.
Not to over "spiritualize", yes, some people will just fall away from your life as no longer there will be the stickiness/tension between them and you... you will no longer have karma with them... so you will begin to make friends based on dharma... you will move from making friends based on attachments (commonalities) to non-attachment.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 1:04 PMthanks all..
and yes ramiel.. nature is wonderful but we cannot deny the need for human interaction or physical intimacy. which brings me to relationships.. i have a total aversion to casual sex now as well (along with aversions to anything bad for me ;). i cannot even think about who i will meet that is right for me. if i thought dating was hard before.. jeez...
but like the laws of attraction say (and tolle touches on) you cannot come from a place of lack.. in order to attract what you really want you have to feel like you already have it. very hard when your going to bed alone every night. what i do instead is think back to all the lovers i've had. i realize i have enough memories to go on for the rest of my life probably! LOL..
i also trust that universe provides.. though i dont believe that everyone is fortunate enough to find their true love in one lifetime.
i see there are spiritual dating sites and i just have to laugh.. has anyone tried those? -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 1:45 PM
Dear Veronica,
I too like I'm sure many know the feeling of loneliness in terms of physical and emotional intimacy... gosh I would really like some of that right now too... though the challenge and lesson for me has been to see myself as being able to give what I need to myself. Here's an example of how I do this (rubber meets the road):
step 1- I have feeling of desire for intimacy. my heart hurts, my body almost cries for the desire to be intimate, the mind thinks I'm a great guy, I'm healthy in every manner though I'm so busy with work and plus I'm not so good at meeting strangers.. kind of scarred of it... though I have this dire need, so much it hurts when I remember, it even made me tear by myself in bed.
step 2- I realize that just as I can be the lover who provides this love to another, this quality of lover and beloved both exists within me. I also see that just I can be the father of a child, so I can give the same father love to myself. I also see that just as I know what mother-love is, I likely also have impression of this. So what can I do with this?
step 3- using imagination and intention to be self-referenced and whole (non co-dependent) I imagine a beautiful woman lover with the background intention that this is being created by my own energy and it is the perfect fit for me, as I know my own needs better than anyone else. Then I imagine myself being this beautiful attractive seductive sensual and spiritual woman giving all forms of her (my) love to ramiel. Then I switch perspectives to being ramiel (me the guy) receiving all of her love, then again I switch to being her and loving ramiel.
step 4- as I keep switching from the two, all of a sudden I feel my heart pain is gone, my emotional body feels like it is filled with liquid warm love throughout my entire body... and I begin touching myself with total attraction... an experience I never had... I just realize that I found the feminine lover energy within myself... and now I no longer feel the intense-need for this love... and from this point... finding a lover isn't for the sake of surviving, but rather for sharing and joy....
step 5- I'm still alone... but I can handle it better... and after realizing this I ended up dating a few woman, had some fun... then life again got super busy with work and I had it put it on break... I can bare it now.... the need is just not so intense... though my ability to love and appreciate a woman is more in quality and far less in dependence... which has another problem... finding a lover friend who isn't trying to have her needs met by me, rather is just wanting to share in joy.... that is also rare.
step 6- the wait continues... but that's ok :-)
with love,
ramiel
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Re: loneliness
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 2:26 PM
Elton John's "I want love" youtube.com/watch
inspiring song "love is all around me" youtube.com/watch
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Mon, June 9, 2008 - 10:57 PMI remind myself at time that my purpose in life is not to be loved but to be love.
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Re: loneliness
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 7:14 PMI completely understand. I have great and deep moments of loneliness. But what has helped me the most is finding others which to experience our true connection to each other. Let me try and explain here what those feelings are like and I would like to attempt to try and point out how to actually experience the real connection that we have....The Oneness that we are.
First, I was fortunate to have received a personal invitation from the Oprah Show to participate in the live webcast of "A New Earth" here in Chicago at Border's bookstore Downtown. I had not heard of Eckhart Tolle prior to this, but had been feeling as though I was close to something powerful, but not knowing what. I had been practicing meditation for four years 3 hours per day and was scheduled to attend a Vipassana meditation course at exactly the same time I was attending the New Earth class. What has happend after these two particular events is impossible to put into words....so I won't bother...except to say WOW!
But here's the thing.....when you begin to go through the Awakening process....well....you start to see. I don't mean with judgement or critical or analyiical thinking, but just seeing. And you can see in the faces of others that they can NOT see you. You can see them looking at the labels and concepts in THEIR heads and not actually SEEING YOU. Seeing this all day every day in most of the faces you look into can created deep feelings of invisibility, thus creating feelings of lonliness. The funny thing is that before I began rapidly speeding through the Awakening process, I thought that all the labels, interpretations and opinions that were agreeable to me and others was what truly felt connected. Then all of that flipped upside down! Now when I am sometimes looking in the face of someone and I can see that they can not see me, only the labels in their head, I sometimes, rarely now, but sometimes feel the loneliness you speak of.
Here is my suggestion: Seek groups of people who have turned their focus inwardly. People who truly want to be free of the Ego are developing new eyes. I have found it to be a great delight to serve at the Vipassana center nearest me, not just as a support to those wanting to be free of their own Egoic conditioning, but to also have the experience of looking into the faces of others who seem to have no labels in their heads that is being projected through their eyes. It is the NON-labeling, "look" in the face and voice of others that feels truly connecting and intimate for me. Before this Eckhart/Vipassana experience I never would have believed that a NON-description would feel more beautiful than the list of fancy labels I used before, to experience myself and others.
Also, you may want to look for any "Focusing" groups as well. Google Dr. Eugene Gendlin. He created an amazing technique that is very much like what Eckhart talks about regarding awareness of body sensations. These Focusing groups are all over the world and it is wonderful to be around people who learned to "Be The Space For This" without having even heard of Eckhart-ji.
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 1:46 AMI felt this feeling a while ago, a huge disconnect, and i delved back into the egoic state, when i truly feel connected, nothin needs to be sed, all i know todayis exactly what one sed earlier, to be love. Today i have to put the kind of energy ouyt into the world that i would be able to accept or enjoy receiving.
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Re: loneliness
Thu, January 15, 2009 - 7:48 PM
Asha,
Why is it important that you are really seen?
The Awakening glimpse followed by the Awakening "Honeymoon" of bliss or whatever comes, lasts like a small glimps, or lasts for some months. A large chunk of the ego gets dissolved permanently. That Honeymoon phase puts what remains of the ego on a new "high" and we often think we'll never go back to the ego. Sure enough some years later we start to see how the ego took the energy of Awakening and become drunk on it. Sometimes after Awakening we find out self getting stuck in places like feeling transcendent as a way to avoid by keeping the watcher separate, stuck in a place of meaninglessness, or on the superiority complex that "I am Awake" and now I'm going to share it with the world by being a "spiritual teacher" "energy worker" "healer" ... it takes some years, took 6 years for me after that very profound awakening that lasted for months to realize how the identification, the ego was still now functioning. It still comes and goes, it's noticed, seen, then disappears.
It's a weird experience when we can no longer even fantasize, as we loose many of our aspects which gave us so much struggle, we also loose some of those wonderful fun parts of our ego too. One of the first things that happened after the awakening for me was that I could no longer sit in meditation! TO think, after I had got used to sitting in meditation for 7 hours a day for years, it was my life. I could no longer hold my vow of celibacy, I began to eat meat, and more and more discovered who I am is no where close to who I think I am. And as I tried to discovery who is the new me... it took some years to see... nope, can't figure that out either. I'm more uncertain then ever, yet outwardly it seems I live such a responsible life, in a long time relationship, two kids, running a 7 year old business and I have no idea what I'm going to do or say next. -
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Fri, January 16, 2009 - 8:15 AMO N - Your words have stirred in me. Thank you for this post. I shall contemplate upon them. Thank you for your insight.
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Re: loneliness
Sun, January 18, 2009 - 10:50 AMOnly Now,
I'm not sure what you are asking me. Please go back and read what I wrote again. I never said that it was important for me to be really seen. The person who started this discussion is going through one of many things that happens as one begins to transform from a thinking Being into an Aware Being. I was simply empathizing and letting her know that what she is feeling is absolutely normal and very much a part of the process of moving out of what is familiar into what is the spacious unknown.
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Re: loneliness
Thu, January 15, 2009 - 7:33 PM
Dear Veronica,
I find it beautiful that you are being yourself more. The thoughts we believed into, the roles which we played, the achieving and goal oriented mentalities, the fantasies and desires, the fears and aspirations, even the very concepts of our sense of purpose, honor, integrity, time, self, God, whatever all disappears. To get this beyond just a mind level down to your heart, to your gut, it transforms your entire life.
New relationships won't be made based on fulfilling needs, so naturally they won't be having that old friendship "bond" feeling. And the years that this transformation is happening in are both disorienting to yourself and for those around us.
If you get a chance, listen to this YouTube video from a Zen teacher based out of California named AdyaShanti www.youtube.com/watch This video is titled Being Alone.