Other Eckharts

topic posted Thu, February 2, 2006 - 2:03 AM by  Jay
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After reading The Power Of Now and hearing interviews with Tolle, I'm finding that his message is one that has been spoken of by many other prophets in the past -- and not just Buddha or Jesus or Lao Tzu. For example, here's one I came across today from Ralph Waldo Emerson:

“What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters to what lies within us.”

Have any of you come across quotes and/or peope that echo Tolle's message?
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  • Re: Other Eckharts

    Thu, February 2, 2006 - 7:43 AM
    I wholeheartedly agree, its all the same message. I am listening to 'A New Earth' audio book, the first 4 CDs start of slow but it picks up after that.

    If you dig Eckhart then i think you will also dig Adyashanti, here are some sound bites:
    www.adyashanti.org/index.php
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    Re: Other Eckharts

    Thu, February 2, 2006 - 8:08 AM
    Ram Dass wrote a book about 20+ years ago called Be Here Now. I figured that Eckhart got his idea from him.

    :D

    SA
    • Re: Other Eckharts

      Thu, February 2, 2006 - 11:55 AM
      Found this little nugget on my friend D-Sol-D's profile:

      the p-funk crew said it best:

      it ain't what you know,
      it's what you feel,
      don't worry 'bout being right,
      just be for real
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        Re: Other Eckharts

        Fri, February 3, 2006 - 3:41 PM
        Thanks for the nod, Jay! ;)

        I agree that a lot of Tolle's message has been echoed elsewhere, and continues to be - there's an essential truth that keeps popping up in different manifestations, no matter how insane the world becomes. I actually put up a whole page of quotes from the funk canon on my DJ website - the page is titled "all i really need to know i learned from funk records" and in many ways, that statement is quite true!

        stellarmadness.org/doctorbooty/wisdom
        • Re: Other Eckharts

          Mon, February 6, 2006 - 4:46 PM
          "Until you make peace with who you are, you'll never be content with what you have." - Doris Mortman
          • Re: Other Eckharts

            Wed, February 8, 2006 - 12:59 AM
            "Scents And Subtle Sounds (Intro)"
            by Phish

            If you would only start to live
            One moment at a time
            You would, I think, be startled
            By the things that you would find

            Like scents you never noticed
            And many subtle sounds
            Like colors in the landscape
            And textures of the town

            Then the winds would lift you up
            Into the sky above
            And you'd be treated to a view
            Of everything you love

            And if the moment passes
            You should try it once again
            For if you do it right
            You'll find the moment never ends
  • Re: Other Eckharts

    Tue, February 14, 2006 - 11:06 PM
    Yes.. look at J. Krishnamurthi's books .. very similar..
    In the end, most observations observed without the conditioning of culture are not surprisingly, remarkably similar... transcending time...
  • Re: Other Eckharts

    Fri, February 17, 2006 - 6:19 AM
    Lao Tzu on Emptiness and Temporality
    Achieve emptiness
    Attain tranquility.

    While the ten thousand things
    arise in unison,
    we recognize temporality.

    Things flourish, each by each,
    only to return to the source,
    to what is and what is to be.

    Knowing the cycle is understanding one's own fate.
    Becoming attuned to one's own original nature
    is eternal harmonious light.

    Not knowing
    leads to eternal disaster.

    The all-embracing mind
    achieves impartiality;
    through impartiality, nobility;
    through nobility, heaven;
    through heaven, realizes the Tao.

    By Tao, the eternal.
    The self perishes,
    released from peril.



    Sounds familiar?
  • Re: Other Eckharts

    Fri, April 14, 2006 - 8:13 AM


    Try Byron Katie
    As strange as some of her words might seem on initial reading/listening , eventually I got wher she was coming from.
    • Re: Other Eckharts

      Tue, April 25, 2006 - 9:01 AM
      Ramana Maharshi:

      "No one doubts that he exists, though he may doubt the existence of God. If you find out the truth about yourself and discover your own source, that is all that is required."
      • Re: Other Eckharts

        Tue, April 25, 2006 - 10:04 AM
        why can't you say those words for yourselves ? why do you have to quote others ? I'm not trying to be mean.
        • Re: Other Eckharts

          Tue, April 25, 2006 - 10:24 AM
          I find the moments in music and dance. When I see a dancer let go and let the Divine in, the radiance fills the entire space. I cannot be anywhere else but in that moment celebrating that connection. I occasionally get there with my music. I can be drumming and get to that place of trancendence where I am fully connected.

          I agree Birkir. That place is within us all. Just tap in.
          • Re: Other Eckharts

            Tue, April 25, 2006 - 2:16 PM
            What if you don't view expressions of the Oneness as 'others'?

            The seperate self is always seeking the end of suffering but the suffering will only end
            when the sufferer is seen to be fiction.
            • Re: Other Eckharts

              Wed, April 26, 2006 - 9:21 AM
              lol isn't that john wheeler :)
              • Re: Other Eckharts

                Wed, April 26, 2006 - 9:25 AM
                just a thougt... not trying to fight.

                If there is one awareness who can see through the false self,
                and another that hasn't seen through it. Doesnt that mean we are individuals ?


                And if there is no doer ? Everything is just happening, doesnt that mean that god/awareness is abusing children. Killing children.
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                  Sat, April 29, 2006 - 7:48 AM
                  'And if there is no doer ?'
                  When you say 'god/awareness is abusing' you make god/awareness into a doer, no?
                  To let go of the notion of 'doer' is to enter nakedly into now ... and see what you find behind the mask of every situation and the blind reaction to it
                  Perhaps a new kind of interaction and unfolding happens there ... one can only know by going and tasting directly, not speculating or projecting
                  Natural movement ... letting oneself move truly naturally from the heart
              • Re: Other Eckharts

                Wed, April 26, 2006 - 12:36 PM
                see this is what I mean, whenever someone posts their own quotes someone is always gonna tell them they are copying someone else so why even bother :)
  • Re: Other Eckharts

    Sat, June 3, 2006 - 10:20 AM
    "Truth is the Offspring of Silence and Unbroken Meditation."

    Sir Isaac Newton
    • Re: Other Eckharts

      Thu, September 14, 2006 - 3:02 AM
      Truth is truth.

      ;-)

      Rich
      Xx
      • Re: Other Eckharts

        Thu, September 14, 2006 - 11:13 AM
        What I find astonishing about Tolle is
        how much what he says sounds like
        any of a number of classical Tibetan
        meditation manuals.
        • Re: Other Eckharts

          Sun, September 24, 2006 - 8:45 AM
          Now is just Now. I love that there are many known and unknown people who use words to point at it. But there are only so many words and when you pick the ones that effectively point at something and you are pointing at the same thing you are going to use same words and similar phrases to point at it. Thank God for it! I say, “Say it again!”

          The more who have a chance of hearing it such that they may experience it the better off we all are. Write a book, sing a song, film a movie, give a speech, talk to a child, share with your neighbor, repeat a quote, use your own words, tell a story, write a blog, dream a dream of right here & now, I don’t care JUST SHARE IT, PASS IT ON!
          • Re: Other Eckharts

            Thu, September 28, 2006 - 4:46 AM
            "...going to use same words and similar phrases to point at it. Thank God for it! I say, “Say it again!”

            absolutely!!!
            and I hope it gets said again, and again, and again because I cannot hear it enough.
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    Re: Other Eckharts

    Mon, November 6, 2006 - 12:00 PM
    did anyone mention walter keers (dutch guy. deceased. what i've copied below speaks to what eckhart speaks to. at least i think so.)?

    The now!

    In our daily lives, by 'the now' we mean a brief, ungraspable moment, that is gone as soon a you want to grab it, something that has disappeared the instant you saw it.
    In other words in our daily life by the word 'now' we mean a thought. A thought, also the thought that we call 'the present moment' is already gone when we know it. A thought can never be grasped, its very nature is brevity and motion. No thought is ever so friendly to stand still to allow itself to be seen, even when it is contained in letter symbols on a page. In that case we have to read the text concerned again and again, even if it is made up of words that we can grasp at one glance.

    We make use of time as if it were real and has an independent existence - a reality that is even stronger than ours, because we are after all limited by time. We are born at moment A and we will die at an unknown moment Z, and that moment arrives for everyone. For one person the period from A to Z may last four or five years and for another one hundred - but there is nothing that hinders arrival at Z. Therefore, time is a dictator who imposes his will on us, stronger than any dictator whatsoever.

    Why is that so?

    The reason is that in this point of view we see ourselves, and experience ourselves as a temporary phenomenon. In other words, what we project on our selves we also see in the 'world'. If I am a temporary phenomenon then I project what I experience as reality on the world and I say that this property is an unshakable given. In this manner time becomes an independent given: a calendar produced by creation that runs from one hundred thousand years before Christ until a good stretch further than today, and I am someone who lives out a small piece of this endless series. But in fact, it is exactly the other way around.
    Not only is time something that is perceived by me as a certain way of thinking, but also the 'I' that lives 20 or 80 years is only a perceived notion of myself. Without me-as-thinker there is no time, and without time I can not exist as me-the-thinker. In short, the phenomenon 'I' and the phenomenon 'time' are so intertwined that they can not be separated from each other.
    Is water the cause of wetness or is wetness the cause of water? In that sense, water and wetness are two words meaning the same: the one can not exist without the other.
    This is not only true for this perception, but for all perceptions: every perception is a movement in consciousness, and each perception exists for a certain period of time. If there is no time then no perception can exist. And, because the world is nothing other than perceptions - perceived things - the world as phenomenon, as a form, is time. Without time there is no perceived world and inasmuch as people know only phenomena that appear in consciousness, we can conclude that without time what we people call the world could not exist.
    The perceived 'I', the notion that I take as myself, is part of the world.
    It is not so that a perceived 'I' perceives the world, but it is so that there sometimes is a perception that I call a house or a cloud, and sometimes an 'I', but both are temporary phenomena that again leave us after a few moments.
    However what is really curious is that 'I' remain even when no perceived 'I', no notion, is.
    No water remains when wetness is taken away, but 'being' does remain, at least a thousand times a day, but without I, without any I-notion.

    If I live 90% of every day without any I-notion then that is irrefutable proof that in reality I am not a perceived I-notion. This discovery, at least if it does not remain superficial sets a total revolution of our life into motion. Because, everything that we have done in our lives up to now, has been done in one way or another in the service of a notion of a sometimes appearing I-notion. In short, for something that we are not - for someone else as it were.
    Taken literally, the 'now' is a 'thought word', which is over before it is perceived.
    But, there is another now: not a perceived 'now', but the perceiving 'now'. Indeed: I am always now. When I was six years old I had to go 'now' to school. This morning I had to wake up 'now', and 'now' I am reading. I am always now: now, and an instant later, now, still now.
    And because I am always now, my perceptions are also always now. And, because my perceptions are always now, what is arises in this perceiving is also always now: I can not perceive something that isn't here now.

    If I claim that the past is real, and that I can perceive it as a memory, I claim something impossible. I witness now a thought that is there, irrespective of whether I call the thought a memory or an expectation. Thus what I call 'past' and 'future' are one or another perceived forms. But, the perception is now.
    Because I can not leave this for even the blink of an eye, it is completely impossible to perceive something that is not here now. Therefore, it is impossible that a person could perceive something that he calls 'the past'. He perceives a thought now, that he indeed calls 'past', but that is now.
    In other words, in the now, the thinking - the form of thinking that we call the memory - can project something that it calls 'past', but it is happening now.
    People who go to a spiritual master because they feel vulnerable or bound, and are searching for freedom, naturally feel bound by the past. To be bound you need to have a past, because all our fears and longings (and that is what the problematic is made of) arose because of experiences in the past. We say.
    But whoever looks penetratingly and discovers that there is no past unless I now produce a thought that I call 'the past', discovers that he is only bound by a notion that is there now, therefore in the reality of a thought-puppet that I call 'I' and says for example: 'I have after all had such a difficult youth'. But, as the immortal Shri Krishna Menon says (Atma Nirvriti, 14 art 5): 'A past thought is one that has ceased to exist'...
    What has ceased to exist does not exist, and what doesn't exist we can not know. The only thing that we can perceive is a thought that is now, but claims to have been there yesterday. That idea 'yesterday' is also now.
    No one of us is thus bound by the past. The only, but then only apparent, being bound is the belief that a thought that says it belongs to the past instead of now is telling the truth. But it is lying. The truth is that we are only now, can only know the now, thus can not have a past, or consequently be bound by it.
    That is the truth - the truth of which Jesus says that it will set us free.
    This freedom lights everything up suddenly like a sun with the discovery that my entire personality, that is nothing else than an appearance that I call the past, has therefore absolutely no existence, unless I think it up this moment. Ten counts later it has disappeared again. How in heavens name can I be bound by a thought that is perceived for a few counts in the consciousness that I Am?
    Thus in truth there is no one who is bound, and thus also no one who seeks for liberation or could be liberated. There is only this now-being that I am, effortlessly, whether I want it or not.
    If there were no consciousness there could be no movements in consciousness. The movements, irrespective of whether I call them thoughts, or feelings, or sensory perceptions depend on the fact that I am there first as consciousness in which they can appear.
    So, for example the belief in a bound and limited 'I' is only possible because I am there first as formless, timeless, witnessing consciousness (Atma) without which no idea of 'I' can appear. This is the origin of Shri Shankara's remark that the appearance of an ego is by itself the best proof of the fact that we are not an ego. The old proof that the appearance of movements delivers, is that there is 'something' within which they appear, and of which they are ultimately made, as waves are made of water.

    [Wolter Keers, 1923 - †1985]

    www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos6/index.html
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      Re: Other Eckharts

      Thu, December 7, 2006 - 2:00 AM
      yes, there have for sure been many eckharts.

      and if my intuition is right, there's about to be a whole lot more.

      E.T., we're coming home!

      wade
      • Re: Other Eckharts

        Thu, December 7, 2006 - 7:44 AM
        Yeah Zen Buddhist masters have been talking about Now
        since way back when.

        Just like Ernest Holmes was talking about the Law of Attraction in the 1930's.
        But no doubt it is nice to hear a modern spin on these with the likes of Eckhart Tolle and Esther & Jerry Hicks.

        Me be grateful for the old & new.
        • Re: Other Eckharts

          Thu, December 7, 2006 - 3:22 PM
          I really like the Venerable at the Hsi Fang temple up the street. She stuns me sometimes. Her English may be muddled but her message is so crystal clear.
          • Re: Other Eckharts

            Thu, December 7, 2006 - 9:22 PM
            What is the Venerable at the Hsi Fang temple?
            What is there focus, and where is this located?
            Thanks.
            • Re: Other Eckharts

              Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:29 PM
              The Venerable is the Monkess that heads up the temple right now.

              The Hsi Fang temple is the local Buddhist temple that offers meditation, dharma, and easy yoga classes for the community, as well as traditional services in English and Chinese in San Diego.
              www.hsifang.org/english/

              The website has the founder info. The also have a little bookstore called the Buddha Light Bookstore that helps fund things. I really like the energy there.

              The Venerable just has a way to explain things in the here and now in a manner that makes sense when nothing else does. She isn't about converting anyone to Buddhism, she's about helping folks find peace through meditation. She has helped me stop and think in a different way to be more present and mindful instead of reactive. Much better.
              • Re: Other Eckharts

                Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:36 PM
                I have always respected Buddhism and Hinduism immensely.
                I will surely look into it.
                Thanks!
                • Re: Other Eckharts

                  Sat, March 24, 2007 - 10:34 PM
                  Just hanging on enjoying the ride moment to moment, attempting not to wind out the gears too much... The Universe gave me a gift over a year ago now, this so-called spontaneous kundalini awakening, If I gonna quote any body here now it would be H.S.T. aka Dr.Gonzo "When the going gets weird. The weird go pro."....
  • Re: Other Eckharts

    Tue, June 10, 2008 - 10:59 AM
    One would be Meister Eckhart, from whom Mr. Tolle supposedly took his nom-de-plume. Meister Eckhart - "When I preach, I usually speak of detachment and say that a man should be empty of self and all things; and secondly, that he should be reconstructed in the simple good that God is; and thirdly, that he should consider the great aristocracy which God has set up in the soul, such that by means of it man may wonderfully attain to God; and fourthly, of the purity of the divine nature."
    • Re: Other Eckharts

      Tue, June 10, 2008 - 3:27 PM
      Rich my friend before this goes further I would like to express my agreement with you....A truth is a truth....all religions and faith systems have truths that are equal to each other and THEN there is the open interpetations to those truths...THAT is very personal.
      • Re: Other Eckharts

        Tue, June 10, 2008 - 9:26 PM
        Everything I read in A New Earth (and a huge chunk of what I read in Esther Hicks Laws of Attraction) I read first years ago in Thaddeus Golas' "Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment"
        freespace.virgin.net/sarah.p...man.html

        Tolle made more of an impact on me, it was if he were coaching me through an NLP session, just by me reading the book...
        However, Golas was pro-ethnogen, gave me the vocab I needed to graduate to Hicks and Tolle, began me on the path of choosing vibrations over judgement, and is FUNNY funny wink wink humor mixed in with enlightenment... And its FREE onthe web! If you're ego-stuck like I was, Tolle is the way to go, but if he's too dry for you to pick up the lingo, give the guide a run!
        Wish I'd met that smart, smart hippie...

        "And as I look up to the stars
        I see they're all the same light.
        When they're all so far,
        how could just one be right?
        They're all the same light!
        They're all the same light!"
        ~Daniel Katsuk

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